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This always happens to me. I finish a book and I go on a self-indulgence binge. I play video games, watch TV, and generally don't do anything resembling "work" for days on end. But my amazing beta reader naomikritzer already got the book back to me, so my vacation is officially over. Tonight it's back to the grindstone, alas. But, I did catch up on all my comics and BSG and managed to see a movie (in the theatre!) so I have a few things to rant/relate/comment on.

One of the things I did was go with my friend Sean M. Murphy to see "Iron Man." Holy sh*t! I have never been a big fan of Iron Man, though I knew some about him from Avengers (new and old). I've always thought he was kind of a non-personality/military industrialist Capitalist running dog, so there was no love lost for me when he became a psuedo-villian in the Civil War storyline. However, this movie made me a fan. Robert Downey, Jr. could not have been more perfectly cast, and he was surprisingly poingnant with all the "heart" metaphor stuff. Pretty deep and metaphorical for a comicbook movie. Plus, of course, I was warned that I needed to stay until the end of the credits, and, boy, am I glad I did. As Sean can attest, I screamed like a fan grrl when I saw Samuel L. Jackson because I knew he was Nick Fury (Ultimates), but when he said, "We need to talk about the Avengers Initative," I nearly wet my pants I was so happy. God is great now that Marvel is in charge of its own movies.

I still need to do some contemplating before I write anything about Bendis' Secret Invasion, however. Lance at Dreamhaven very kindly pulled everything Secret Invasion related for me, so I'm completely up on the story, including the kind of dull primer on Human/Skrull/Kree relations that Bendis gave us with his revisionist history laid out in all its glory.

The reason I need to think about it is this: before we headed out to the movies, I started ranting about Secret Invastion to Sean and he pointed out that my argument might not go over well with WisCON folks because, at its heart, it is a transgender issue. It was this amazing lightbulb momment for me. As some of you may know, Bendis is doing at Marvel what BSG is doing on TV. We're discovering that some of our heroes may have been replaced decades ago by shape-changing Skrull/human clones who have been programmed to believe they are the real heroes. So, like with the Cylons, they've been living AS the heroes, until which time their sleeper trigger is activated.

My inital reaction has been one of betrayal, and I've been struggling with a way to articulate this because it's one of the same snags I have, on ocassion, with Battlestar Galatica. With BSG, however, the idea that the Cylons have been living among us in secret has been set up from the beginning. One of the things that's bugging me about Bendis' stuff is the feeling of whiplash because, while there's been some foreshadowing in recent issues, the heroes whose identity are in question have been key players in some major events (The Death of Captain America, Civil War, House of M, Avengers Disassembled, etc.)

One of the conculsions I've come to is that my sense of betrayal is complicated. It's not just that the heroes/BSG characters were living as something else the entire time, but that the people chosen by the writers of both series have picked characters whose storylines resonated with REAL political events. For instance, on BSG, three out of the four new Cylons were insurgence policy makers. The New Caprica insurgency was clearly a thinly-disgused metaphor for Iraq and our occupation of it. The storyline, clumsy as it was on occassion, forced the viewers to identify with the "other side," the nationalistic rebels trying anything to push the occupying army with superior weaponry/tech out of their homeland. Because this was about America's involvement in Iraq, I felt like those characters (Ty, Tyrol, and Sam) represented *us,* the humans of the storyline.

Similarly, in the Civil War/Death of Captain America storyline, there was a very obvious metaphor for American politics. The Superhero Registration Act smelled a bit like the Patriot Act (surrender freedom for security!) which happened after a horrific attack -- the Samford School disaster -- clearly a 9/11 proxy. The storyline, again sometimes as overt as a 2 X 4, asked readers to identify with BOTH sides of the question of freedom vs. security. The two key personalities in that fight, Captain America and Iron Man, are now potentially Skrull imposters.

My question (to myself but also now to you) is why does it bother me so much that these key players in these American political metaphors have turned out to be distinctly "not us"? Or, at the very least, not who I was originally led to believe they are?

Date: 2008-05-16 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladylahatiel.livejournal.com
OMG IRON MAN! I saw that last weekend and it was SO excellent! I think it's the best superhero movie since Spiderman 2, in terms of pacing, character development, and kickass-but-fitting special effects. And I agree that Robert Downey Jr. essentially WAS Tony Stark. I'm trying to convince my parents to see it in the theatre so I have a chance to go again. SO AWESOME!
As for your other question, I am not current at all on comics (right now I'm focusing on reading Silver Age stuff), but I think we all have a visceral fear that Things Are Not As They Seem. I think there's a psychological term for believing people you know have been replaced by robots/clones/whatever. (One quick Google search later, there is: Capgras' Syndrome or Capgras' Delusion.) As I said, I don't know the details of the situation in the comics, but I think we all have a quiet desperation that things stay the way they are, and when that doesn't happen, it can bother us, especially if it appears we've been fooled for some time. Humans don't like being fooled.
Or that's all Vicodin-induced crap, I don't know. I just had surgery yesterday. All I do know is, IRON MAN WOO!

Secret Invasion

Date: 2008-05-16 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shenjanno.livejournal.com
Is it betrayal you feel... or fear, the fear of change and that for the first time in a long time you find yourself worried about your favorite characters? Is that feeling just that you are involved in the story and much like the majority of Marvel universe heroes are actually unsure as to where to place your trust?

Because thats what I feel. Now, am I really worried that ANYTHING is going to remain permanent? No, I mean, the golden rule at Marvel for years was No one stays dead except Bucky and look what happened there... so really, anything that happens can be changed back again in like three panels, BUT until that day... ohhhhh the scariness and uncertainty... so fun.

(Also, I'd bet anything that Iron Man is NOT a skrull, not when you consider that he has finally made three deminsional character status (besides just being a drunk) AND he has the movie (which I agree was super awesome, look for an Iron Man cameo at the end of the Hulk movie.), they wouldn't make him a Skrull because they wouldn't want to confuse any potentially new readers brought on by the film. Plus, he has TWO books now, not counting Avengers stuff and Secret Invasion. No, he's safe, the one I'm worried about ("worried") is Wolverine.

Also, also, Brubaker has pretty much said that the REAL cap is Dead and that Secret Invasion isn't going to impact his own stoyline. (But if you really want confusion, by my count, currently there are five Caps running around. Dead Cap, Bucky Cap, Maybe-Skrull Cap, Recently-Time-traveled-to-the-Future-in-Avengers/Invaders Cap and Red-Skull-Clone Cap. Would the real Captain America please stand up, please stand up)

I think these last few years at Marvel has seen some of the best story telling since the characters' original inceptions. (Iron Fist starring in a good book? Who would have thought it?) Did you read the Nick Fury issues of New Avengers? Potential excitement... So, I wouldn't worry about betrayal.

Also, also, also... Iron Man is not a Psuedo villian, he's right. Some Teenage jock moron who drinks a vial of unknown liquid, gets super strength and decides to put on a mask and beat up "evil-doers" is a fascist and a vigilante. Thats against the law, I'm not saying that I don't find the notion romantic, all I'm saying is think about your least favorite Neanderthal from high school and then imagine him in tights and a mask about to beat you up for being different from him. People like Cap might not need training, but the average accidental recipient of super powers does (Greatest American Hero, anyone? God, that show used to piss me off as a kid... Just fly right, you moron! Anyway...). That was Iron Man's stance. Might does not make Right. Accountability. Of course, I firmly backed Cap's side because he was cooler, but Iron Man was never a villian, just a realist. What makes him a hero is his willingness to be villified for it.

Date: 2008-05-16 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morgan-dhu.livejournal.com
Bearing in mind that I have not read comics since, oh, 1965, so I know absolutely noting about the actual storylines you're talking about...

What the brief summary you've given here of this Secret Invasion sounds very much to me like the whole Cold War "the person sleeping next to you could be a secret Communist" paranoia that was translated into hundreds of SF plots from various versions of Invasion of the Body Snatchers to Heinlein's The Puppet Masters; the classic undisguised expression is of course the original version of The Manchurian Candidate.

It seems to me that since 9/11, this paranoia has been reworked to include the idea of secret sleeper cells of terrorists all over the US, and may be (in my opinion as an outside observer of the US) part of the reason for the astonishing strength of the canard that Barack Obama is a "secret Muslim" who would destry the US if elected.

Just a thought.

Date: 2008-05-17 05:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jasonfranks.livejournal.com

I liked IRON MAN because it was well made. The script was tight (only a couple of 'snappy comments' that made me cringe); the acting was good (I love the way John Favreau lets the actors improv some scenes); the action was shot to be coherent (no shakey-cam or quick cutting trickery). The characters were solid (Tony actually felt like an engineer as well as a playboy) and the plot, while simple, at least had some internal consistency.

In other words, the film didn't insult the audience, it was a good straight forward popcorn flick with a minimum of trickery or pretension. Hallelujah!

Far as Secret Invasion goes... well, I quit reading Marvel and DC superheroes a couple of mega-crossovers back.

-- JF

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