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 I don't actually have anything to say? I'm here and alive. It snowed, the first real snow we've had all winter. It's gorgeous and brilliantly sunny. that's kind of the big news.

I do feel like I should have something to say about the renewed Hugo Award scandal, but I really don't. I was a virtually attending member of the Chicago WorldCON, and, so, due to how the Hugo voting works, I was able to nominate for the Hugos. You then have to buy at least a voting membership for the current WorldCON in order to vote and, I'll be honest, I didn't want to give any of my money to the Chinese government in protest of their stance on free speech, GLBTQIA+ rights, and the oppression of Uyghur people. I understand that the Chinese fans are lovely and not to blame, but this was a choice I made. 

For the longest time, I was feeling kind of superior in a "what did you expect?" sort of way, but now I'm just utterly horrified by the fact that a bunch of Western fans decided to compile dossiers (what the f*cking f*ck) on the nominees (and then do it so very, very badly.) Thus, basically self-censoring the Hugo Award ballot. This is an absolute disgrace. Because the one take away I have held close to my heart since Trump was elected in 2016 and the shadow of fascism and totalitarianism grows ever longer in the United States is that we should NEVER, EVER comply in advance.  

We did this entirely to ourselves. 

However, generally, I am a supporter of WorldCON and the Hugo Awards. I have faith that we, as a community, can FIX this. As has been pointed out by many others, there's not a whole lot we can do in terms of righting wrongs, but we can do BETTER going forward.  In fact, I just signed up to be a virtual attendee in Glasgow next year. It cost me over a hundred bucks (US), but just as I did NOT buy a membership last year in protest, I'm buying one this year in support of the institutions of WorldCON and the Hugo Awards. 

This is, again, a personal choice and so this is why I feel, even though I just went on about it for several paragraphs, I don't really have a lot to say about this scandal. 

I'd love to hear your thoughts, however.

Date: 2024-02-15 06:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] minnehaha
The fear that the Chinese people live under is truly oppressive. I met people who were prepared to go to prison for downloading movies or using encrypted messaging.

K.

Date: 2024-02-16 07:07 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] minnehaha
Yeah, don't listen to me. I had no idea what the scandal was until today. (I never know anything about movies, either.)
K.
Edited Date: 2024-02-16 07:09 am (UTC)

Date: 2024-02-15 07:51 pm (UTC)
eagle: Me at the Adobe in Yachats, Oregon (Default)
From: [personal profile] eagle
I'm feeling so bad for the Chinese fans who just wanted to run a WorldCon and now, because of decisions made by a bunch of long-term insiders from the US and Canada that so far as we can tell none of them had anything to do with, they're in the middle of an angry firestorm with international press coverage. Which is, among other things, seems far more worrisome for them.

It's not clear anyone in the Chinese government would have cared about any of the things McCarty and his pals thought they cared about (see, for instance, the treatment of danmei inside China, which is way more complicated than simple censorship). Babel was published in China, after all. But in the name of supposedly "helping," now the people who don't even live in China have created an international incident and put the local fans in the middle of it. Way to go, guys.

Date: 2024-02-15 08:31 pm (UTC)
eagle: Me at the Adobe in Yachats, Oregon (Default)
From: [personal profile] eagle
This is one of the most basic "how to be an ally" thing: don't guess at some weird thing you think someone else might want you to do for them. ASK THEM and then listen to the answer and don't override it with your assumptions.

And if your goal is to shield other people, actually shield them, as Courtney Milan pointed out on Bluesky. You do that by taking full responsibility, making clear that you made all the decisions on your own and no one else was involved, and give them space to say "I wouldn't have done that and I didn't want that." Which is not at all what Dave McCarty did or is doing; he's instead constantly hinting at some sort of Chinese legal regime that of course he had to follow or some sort of cultural difference that he's honoring, when we keep getting more information that indicates all of this is happening solely inside his head.

Date: 2024-02-15 08:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pameladean
I keep having to pick my jaw up off the floor AGAIN after reading some new revelation or wrinkle. The combined ignorance and arrogance of the non-Chinese members of the Hugo committee just floors me. I've often thought very experienced members of the Permanent Floating Worldcon Committee, or people who have repeatedly worked on Worldcon without for some reason being in that group, might be oblivious and stubborn or have strange opinions or whatever, but I never would have believed that they would get up to this kind of nonsense. I thought they were well-meaning and had good practical experience.

Reading the cleaned-up transcript of Chris Barkley's interview with Dave McCarty, the latter seemed in an advanced state of stress hardly distinguishable from some kind of altered experience. I imagined him talking to Chinese fans and making bizarre interpretations and acting on them, living in some imaginary China whose rules he must follow to protect his new friends. He seemed completely divorced from reality while believing he had the best inside knowledge to make things work right.

Psychoanalyzing people just because I'm a writer doesn't seem very helpful, but that interview was so very strange. The truth, which it's unlikely we'll ever arrive at, is probably both much more mundane and way way weirder.

I too think that the Hugos can be fixed, but it can't be done by the "Trust us, we're such experienced amateurs that we amount to professionals in this one task" gang. We did and they aren't.

P.

Date: 2024-02-16 12:04 am (UTC)
eagle: Me at the Adobe in Yachats, Oregon (Default)
From: [personal profile] eagle
In one of those quixotic projects that one starts on a whim without thinking about how much work it would be, some decades back I started wondering how good awards were at surfacing books I would like and decided to science it. So I read a whole bunch of award winners and kept track of my personal enjoyment ratings on a 1 to 10 scale so that I could do statistics.

The only truly comparable numbers are for the awards where I have read all or nearly all of the winners, since the ones where I've only read some of the winners probably are skewed high because I'm more likely to have read the books I already thought I would enjoy. For that set, the average rating of a Hugo winner was 6.95, a Nebula winner was 7.17, and a Locus SF winner was 7.00. For comparison, the average rating of all books I read last year was 7.02.

There are obviously a lot of problems with this data (it's over a 20 year period and my tastes have changed, some of the ratings are from memory from before I started this project and are even more suspect, it's only me and my personal opinion), but my conclusions from that were that awards are an okay source of book recommendations (on average the book will be fine), but not incredibly stellar. Of those awards, the Nebulas are a bit more reliable for me, but they're all fairly close.

(For whatever it's worth, the "best" award for my personal taste is the Mythopoeic Award for adult literature, which has garnered an average rating of 8.13 with 15 out of 50 read and the substantial caveat that the unread ones are likely to lower that average to an unknown extent.)

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