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If you've been awake these last few days (and hang out in fannish circles on the Internet), you probably heard that Marvel is introducing a new Thor, a female Thor.  She looks pretty awesome to me, so I'm not quite sure what has certain fans in an uproar.  As a long time Thor reader, there is one single qualification in my mind to be Thor.  You must be worthy of Mjolnir.

For those of you just tuning in, comic book fans will happily explain that Thor not being Thor is so yesterday.  We've had a horse-faced space alien (a fan favorite, in fact,) Beta Ray Bill.  We've had, I kid you not, a frog.  All of those who welded Mjolnir before were WORTHY.  So long as this person is, I could care less.

Different people take on iconic hero titles all the time.  Do you even know how many Captain Americas we've had? At least one of them was insane, another had been a recently brainwashed super-assassin for the Russians.  So, you know, in the average life of a Marvel fan, this kind of thing is very ho-hum.

I was particularly struck by what it means (to me, at least,) to be a Marvel fan as I was finally reading through the Entertainment Weekly article about the new Avengers movie, Age of Ultron.  The article laid out the reason why the movie writers of the script decided not to make Henry Pym the inventor of Ultron.  I read that and thought, like a Marvel fan does, "Huh.  Okay, why not?"

"Huh.  Okay, why not?" could be a Marvel fan's mantra.

How about we reboot the entire mutant franchise when a villain goes back in time to kill Professor X? Huh.  Okay, why not?  (The Age of Apocalypse is still one of my favorite canon AUs.)

How about we replace a ton of your favorite superheroes with Skrull?  Huh.  Okay, why not?  (Secret Invasion. I  was less sold, but you know what, this is Marvel.)

How about the new Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. is a super-villain?  Huh.  Okay, why not? (Dark Reign.  Didn't read it, but am planning to try to collect it.)

The list goes on and on and on, and two thirds of my above examples are actually fairly recent developments, and don't even get me started on the whole Ultimates concept.  (For those of you who aren't comic book fans, Ultimates is like Marvel said, I wish we could re-write some stuff, and the PtB said, you can!  We'll just make it an AU fic, but because we're the bosses, it'll be canon because we can just make up a whole new set of titles for you!)

You know, it's like I tell new Attack on Titan fans--don't get too attached and roll with the punches.  Most of the time, the story carries you through all your fears.  Sure, sometimes it's stupid.  But, Marvel has, what now?  At LEAST 60 years of canon, some titles running weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly without interruption in all that times.  There's got to be some stupid given the sheer vastness of canon.  And, writers and artists can change mid-storyline, so Marvel fans have learned to cope in MULTIPLE ways.  I mean, I'll be honest, for me, I've been known not to finish a story because there's been a major writer shake up (still don't know how everything worked out after Straczynski left Amazing Spider-Man).

My friend [livejournal.com profile] empty_mirrors asked me how does Marvel deal with people getting older, and I said, "They don't."  Given the mess of the above, there's really no reason to.  Readers have learned to say, "Huh.  Okay, why not?" when confronted by the fact that Reed Richards is stated in canon to have fought in WWII.  Writers tend not to bring that up.  Or, when they do, they get points for coming up with clever work arounds.  Honestly, a lot of us long-time fans appreciate when writers like Bendis slide in a line for Peter Parker like, "Look, how weird can it be?  I once had four arms!"

Because, yes, yes he did.

And that's the other thing Marvel comics are made for readers to come and go from it.  New readers can pick up a title at any point and go from there.  I've done it when I've come back to story lines.  But fans drop out, new fans come in, old fans return, etc., etc.

And sometimes Thor is a woman.

Date: 2014-07-18 12:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mle292.livejournal.com
Well said!

Or, as Gail Simone said this morning

Some of these characters have had hundreds, even thousands, of stories. Trying new things isn't just entertaining, it's ESSENTIAL.

— Gail Simone (@GailSimone) July 17, 2014

Date: 2014-07-18 01:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mle292.livejournal.com
I have seen a very small amount of whining about Captain America, but it's very definitely smaller, and it's too close to Rush Limbaugh's weaselly complaints about Miles Morales. I think for exactly the reason you say.

If we could just get Rush to complain about Thor, we'd be set.

Date: 2014-07-18 02:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] seawasp
Most of the complaints I've heard about Cap's mantle being taken over by Falcon are in the opposite direction; they want someone NEW -- and black -- taking the mantle because Falcon stepping into the red-white-and-blue means that for that period of time Falcon -- one of the few current black superheroes -- isn't around.

Unfortunately it's perfectly IN CHARACTER for Cap to choose Falcon as his stand-in.

Date: 2014-07-18 02:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] seawasp
Marvel HAS tried to address aging on occasion; for some characters, like Cap, it doesn't matter because you just make the "revived-on" date fuzzy, but for others there's had to be adjustments. This is especially true in the Cinematic universe: Tony Start was originally a Vietnam creation, but given that Vietnam's decades back and they still wanted reasonably young and awesome Tony Stark, they had to update him to an Afghanistan-war-type background.

As far as Thor and female is concerned, hey, Wonder Woman held the Hammer, Thor's held the hammer, Beta Ray Bill's held the hammer, Storm's held the hammer, Thor-As-Frog has held the hammer, what matters to me is whether they're THOR when they wield Mjolnir. As long as they're still clearly Thor and they do Thor's job in a way that Simonson would approve of, I'm cool.

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